Audio file 60-2

Ernest explains how he got his teaching certificate "JC fellow" at Grace Dieu (mentions Sister Pauline, Father Woodfield) and taught at Grace Dieu

the objective of Grace Dieu Diocesan College was to train Black teachers

Ernest moves on to Khaiso School in Pietersberg (mentions Sekoto, Bishop Fuller) where he completed his Bachelor of Arts; he reveals he had not completed his degree at University of Fort Hare; he tries to put his education in chronology (mentions Cape Town)

According to Elza Miles, Ernest's biographer, Ernest taught at Grace Dieu from 1924 to 1929. He studied at the University of Fort Hare from 1930 to 1936 where he matriculated but did not complete his Bachelors of Arts. This he would achieved in 1937 through the University of South Africa whilst he was also teaching at Khaiso Secondary School

Ernest recalls leaving University of Fort Hare for Cape Town and how he found caretaking work and accommodation in District 6 in Cape Town

District 6 is a neighbourhood in Cape Town where, prior to apartheid, most of the inhabitants came from the so-called Coloured community.
The term "Coloured" is a description still in use in South Africa today to describe people who are of diverse ethnic backgrounds who are neither "White" nor "Black"

Wonga interrupts to return to education

[tape stopped and restarted] Wonga asks about teaching at Khaiso (mentions Sekoto) and about teaching certification; Ernest provides details about Black teachers and schools for Black students

Khaiso Secondary School was also established by the Anglican Church

[tape stopped and restarted] Wonga returns to the teaching certificate (mentions Lovedale, St Matthew school) and Ernest explains about the curriculum for Black students

most of the schools for Black Africans were established by Church missionaries

Wonga asks Ernest about education pedagogy, those who helped him, and the highest level attainable by a Black scholar but Ernest cannot recall

[tape stopped and restarted] Wonga records a note to himself about Ernest visiting Ellis Park in Johannesburg and an encounter with a cricket player

[tape stopped and restarted] Wonga asks about Jabavu, Ernest states Jabavu's father started a newspaper in a black language "Isimvo Zabantsundu" which translates as "opinions of the human beings"

Jabavu was one of the founders of the University of Fort Hare

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