Audio file 73-1

[likely preceding file: 72-2] They speak of France from 1945 to 1947, a period Ernest describes as on one of "confusion": they speak of African colonial unrest [Algeria and the Sétif massacre] and politics [Charles de Gaulle, Winston Churchill, Joseph Stalin, Maurice Thorez] and Wonga argues that such instability is not favourable to art

Ernest states that the atmosphere drove them to leave Paris; that, as Sonja's family and artistic network were in Denmark, they decided to move there

First, the family moves to Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse in France; [tape stopped and restarts] Ernest explains the stay in Saint-Rémy-lès-Chevreuse was for a break, to focus on the family, and neither Ernest nor Sonja made work

[tape stopped and restarts twice] Wonga returns to Paris and the Surrealists around André Breton and the Cubists supporting the Communist party, and no dialogue between the artists

[tape stopped and restarts] Wonga asks how they prepare to leave Paris, that Sonja's parents had died during the war, that Sonja wrote to her brother but that he was not in a position to receive them

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