Audio file 141-1

[likely continued from 139-2] Wonga speaks of Ernest still studying and living at Rue Monsieur-le-Prince but needing a studio to earn a living as an artist; through questions, Ernest reveals how he came to have his studio at 19 Rue d'Aguerre

Wonga asks about Ernest's work at the time, including the 1940 oil painting "Composition", but Ernest cannot fill in the details

Wonga returns to the studio, asks about moving from the student neighbourhood (mentions Sonja Ferlov Mancoba, Christian Poulsen); Ernest says he liked the quiet of the studio on Rue d'Aguerre which allowed him to work; Wonga asks about the building's location relative to the street market

Wonga asks about the neighbour, an American painter, Henri Goetz, but Ernest cannot remember details; Wonga asks for a description of the neighbouring market and recounts that Ernest had previously said that Lenin had lived in the building; Wonga tries other ways to remind Ernest of the importance of the arrondissement

Wonga moves on to Ernest seeing Sonja every other day; Wonga asks about Ernest's favourite café; they are both frustrated and argue

Ernest explains that he and Sonja lived independent lives but loved each other, and fills in some details on Wonga's pressing; Wonga explains that he and readers of the memoire would want to know details like Ernest's long friendships with Goetz and with Jane Gool, likewise the importance of Rue d'Aguerre; Wonga requests restarting the topic

[tape ends, continues 141-2]