Audio file 53-2

Wonga and Ernest are in the midst of Wonga probing Ernest on his expectations of Denmark upon leaving France in 1947; Wonga speaks of Høst artist association and Richard Mortensen; Wonga expresses his opinion that the artistic camaraderie in Denmark must have been the reason why Sonja moved her family there

Ernest exhibited with Høst artist association in 1948 (as guest) and in 1949 (as member).

Wonga speaks of Asger Jorn's role in eventually setting Copenhagen as the new European artistic centre immediately after the war, and the Danish avant-garde leading to CoBrA

[tape stopped and restarted] Wonga speaks of "Danish comrades"

Ernest says that their possessions had been sent to Birkerød, where Sonja Ferlov Mancoba's brother lived; Wonga recounts what he was told about their arrival in Birkerød, including by Mikael Andersen

Wonga speaks of how the relationship with Sonja Ferlov Mancoba's brother "quickly" deteriorated, possibly because of disputes over the deceased parents' estate; Ernest resists speaking about it

[tape stopped and restarted] Wonga recaps that eventually Sonja Ferlov Mancoba renounced the half of the Estate that she was due, but she had an investment fund that her father had set up for her; Wonga considers where the family went after they left Birkerød, tstaying at friends and relations.

Wonga asks Ernest how they came to find and settle in Kattinge; Ernest confirms that it was Sonja Ferlov Mancoba's Uncle Knud who found the house, purchased using proceeds from the investment fund

Wonga returns to which friends they may have stayed with before Kattinge; [tape stopped and restarted] Wonga speaks of Christian Poulsen and his wife Lina; Poulsen was now a ceramicist but not yet known

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