Audio file 108-1

Ernest and Wonga are in the midst of a conversation on European art, observing the cycle of generations rejecting the canon

Ernest uses analogy of birds' plumage to explain his thoughts on pleasure versus social responsibility in art; Wonga adds his agreement, mentions Antonin Artaud and William Shakespeare; Wonga returns to the rejection by Western artist of the Western canon

Ernest uses the songs of slaves to explain how it is used to keep them slaves; Wonga argues that it could also have been protest songs; they debate; they play a blues song and Ernest sings along

[tape stopped and restarted] Wonga asks Ernest questions on Bille, on who introduced Picasso's work to him; [tape stopped and restarted] Wonga continues about Bille (mentions Sonja Ferlov Mancoba, Giacometti, Jean Arp, CoBrA, Linien, Linien II)

Wonga speaks of the artistic split amongst the Danish artists (mentions Asger Jorn) and recounts Sonja's feelings about the split and her reason for choosing the CoBrA side over the Hard Edge faction

Wonga continues on CoBrA's links to Linien (mentions Bille, Jorn, Richardsen, Heerup) and concludes on Sonja's opinion

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