Audio file 115-1

Wonga speaks of outbreak of World War II; [tape stopped and restarted] Wonga speaks of French factory workers having a summer holidays, taking it even in 1939; Wonga asks about Ernest and Sonja Ferlov Mancoba wanting to take a holiday too

Ernest speaks of Sonja missing seaside holidays during the summer in Denmark so they planned a trip to Brittany; Wonga recalls Sonja's large Danish bicycle

discussion returns to the planned Brittany holiday; Wonga asks if it was Giacometti who recommended the destination, Ernest says it was Clarisse Penso; Wonga probes for details

Ernest recalls that a few days into their bicycle trip they were able to forget the tense atmostphere in Paris, but then they were stopped by a policemen who said that war had been declared and foreigners should not be moving about

Wonga asks what happens after they return to Paris: Ernest explains Ejler Bille decides to leave and Sonja is deciding (Wonga also asks about Erwinn Graumann)

Wonga asks Ernest for details of seeing Bille off at the Gare du Nord

Wonga asks Ernest about soldiers mobilising at the Gare du Nord and someone rebuking him for not being with them; Wonga speculates the speaker was thinking of black soldiers aiding in the War of 1914, but Ernest says this did not occur to him back then; Wonga expresses his opinion of German and French relationships and black soldiers

Wonga reminds Ernest that he spoke of violent treatment of black prisoners in Drancy internment camp; Wonga continues about German relationship with blacks; Wonga returns to Gare du Nord incident

Ernest would be imprisoned during World War II, including at St Drancy camp

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