Audio file 72-2

[likely preceding file: 154-2, Ernest and Sonja took a sojourn to Marseilles] Wonga speaks about the need for representation of Blacks in America culturally and not racially; Ernest speaks of Black musician Arthur Briggs not wanting to confront White racists in St Denis; Wonga asks relevance to his point and Ernest says that protest is first needed

Wonga continues about Black politics in America speaking of the Black American soldier, Joe, who deserted the Allied army

also discussed in 154-1

Wonga asks what happened after Ernest and Sonja return to Paris after their short sojourn to Marseilles

Ernest speaks of Sonja's "Skulptur" (1940-46), that she reflected that had the war continued, the work would have taken longer

Wonga speaks of when he is born and the artists to whom he was shown: in Paris, to Alberto Giacometti (in the atelier) and Henri Laurens, and later, in Denmark, Richard Mortensen; Wonga speaks of Sonja's friendship with the Laurens (mentions Brancusi)

[tape stopped and restarts] the first of Sonja's friends to meet Wonga was Clarisse Penso; Wonga speaks of Clarisse, digressing on the political history of Brittany when Clarisse was growing up

[tape stopped and restarts] referring to his birth year, 1946, Wonga speaks of jazz and rights of Black musicians [mentions Charlie Parker, Miles Davis, Juliette Greco, Louis Armstrong]

[tape ends, continues 73-1]