Audio file 153-1

Wonga returns to why Ernest was sent to Drancy from St Denis [when other Black prisoners - Ernest mentions Benjamin and Bailey - were not]. They discuss reasons

some of the theories were discussed in audio files 91-1 and 91-2

Wonga asks about Bailey, another Black prisoner; Ernest recalls Bailey had a French wife and family; Wonga digresses on Africans that have English names [mentions Charles Taylor in Sierra Leone]; Wonga recalls Ernest previously describing Bailey as short of stature, not strong and elderly, and distributed the food - he also brings up Benjamin and Arthur Briggs

[tape stopped and restarts] Wonga restarts the conversation on Bailey and Ernest recalls that he was a retiree who received a pension; Wonga asked if Sonja met Bailey's wife like she had met Weinfeld's and Ernest answers in the negative [tape stopped and restarts multiple times] Wonga continues to ask but Ernest has nothing further to add

Ernest brings up Smith, someone who imitated generals, but Wonga is focused on Bailey

[tape stopped and restarts] Wonga asks how Bailey and the other prisoners reacted when Ernest came back from Drancy; [tape stopped and restarts] Ernest didn't think the others reacted in any notable way, concerned with themselves, but Wonga finds that hard to believe

Ernest wants to speak about the liberation from the camp but Wonga wants to focus on the time in imprisonment and Bailey - Wonga confesses that Bailey has lived in his imagination from childhood due to Ernest's stories

Ernest and Wonga try to recall other prisoners but names are not remembered and details are confused

[tape stopped and restarts] Ernest recalls recruitment of St Denis prisoners to fight in Russia for the Nazis in exchange for their freedom, offered only to White prisoners, and a son joined against his father's wishes; Ernest did not know what happened to the man

[tape ends, continues 153-2]