Audio file 15-1

Ernest speaks of an [author [unidentified] who writes on Dada and Surrealism; Ernest agrees Dada and Surrealism were the appropriate forms for human disillusionment and doubt about religious and cultural beliefs

Dada was an artistic and literary movement in the early part of the 20th century that could be said to take an nihilist or "anti-art" approach as a reaction to the modern age

The Surrealist movement followed in the years between World Wars I and II, and championed the irrational and unconscious over society's oppressive rationality

Ernest observes that those artistic efforts have been put aside as lacking in conviction. Yet humans need something to believe in

[tape stopped and restarts] Wonga responds, that in the twentieth century artists contest the current zeitgeist [in French]

Ernest interrupts to speak of "anti-art" in art history; Wonga replies

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